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Old 02-19-2010   #1
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Default Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

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Old 02-19-2010   #2
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Default Re: Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

nice link....

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"Nissan Lifters, Guaranteed to Tick Everytime.."

I've done this to my personal engines when I've built them and it works very well. The hydraulic lifters used by nissan are just like any other hydraulic lifter in terms of its function and design: By using the engine oil as a cushion for valve control action, you have a zero-lash, self adjusting valvetrain that is incredibly quiet and reliable. That is, until the lifter itself develops a problem.

I have seen two modes of failure of a lifter:
1) The checkvalve that retains the oil within the cushioning body gets debris between the ball and seat which allows the oil to freely move in and out of the lifter body during compression. When this occurs, the lifter body 'bottoms out' and results in the tick you can audibly hear.

2)The lifter body's telescoping action becomes siezed. This is actually the least common failure I have seen in a lifter. The parts are precision machined and have fine finishes on the contacting parts. However, oil varnish (the stuff that makes a used engine look brown/black inside) can coat the pieces and if it is excessive, it can cause these parts to bind.

The best thing you can do to prevent lifter tick is to change your oil on scheduled intervals of 3K miles and use a high quality oil such as Mobil1 or any other premium synthetic-based lubricant. These synthetic oils have higher resistance to developing these varnishes that coat the parts down - this is also why you want to use synthetic for turbocharged vehicles as they are much more resistant to developing the worst-case varnish, oil coke. This is the cooked-down version of oil and it leaves abrasive, solid deposits on parts.

Unfortunately case #2 is typically not repairable as you wont even be able to disassemble the lifter to service it. If you do manage to get it apart, a good dip will likely correct it. If you have a hard time getting a lifter apart, it is possible that it suffers from this same case.

Case #1 is the easiest to correct. It only involves the cleaning of the parts and reassembly in order to correct.

Any hydraulic lifter has a good bit of demand put on it and it is subject to a considerable amount of wear, but one thing we have working to our advantage is the size of the lifter itself. This distributes the load and wear over a greater amount of area so it wont wear out nearly as quickly as other smaller counterparts used in engines like domestic V8's with pushrod technology. Even though these lifters were built much better than most I've ever seen, they are still susceptible to wear and you must take care to inspect the parts and replace them if necessary. Keep in mind you cannot buy just one piece of a lifter - you will have to replace the entire lifter if one of yours is shot.

One easy way to tell which lifter is bad is to squeeze them. If a lifter 'bottoms out' when you compress it by hand, there is good chance that the lifter is your bad one. This check must be performed immediately after removal of the lifter from the engine though. If you pull them out and flip them over, there is chance that air will get into the lifter body and allow it to compress although the lifter isn't bad. Obviously if case #2 is the reason, it wont compress anyway. For this reason it is recommended that you disassemble all lifters of the engine if you are going to do this.

Although the price of Nissan lifters dropped from some $32 a piece to a little under $10 a piece, it is still a $250 investment to purchase new lifters. For those that are on a budget and have some free time, this is an excellent alternative to buying new lifters. Regardless, you may end up buying a few new lifters anyway, but this is sure to save you some cash.

The tools you will need are:
Something with considerable mass and a flat surface to strike the lifter against to remove the lifter body. A bench-vise with a flat anvil works wonderfully. It MUST have a flat surface or you will damage the lfiter during disassembly.
A pair of pliers
A small pick
Red Scotchbrite pad
1500-grit finishing paper
1-gallon Carburetor Cleaner dip with parts bucket
1 quart of premium engine oil
1 can WD-40

This is the lifter. Top/bottom.



In order to remove the lifter body from the lifter housing, you must strike the base of the lifter housing in order to 'pop' the lifter body retaining clip free. This step takes a decent impact to accomplish - try progressively striking the lifter harder until the body pops loose, inspecting it after each strike until you get the feel for the right amount of force. You will be able to tell if the lifterbody clip has released by looking across the base of the lifter from edge to edge. The lifter body will be at the same level as the base edges of the lifter housing.



With a pair of pliers, grab ahold of the lifter body and pull it out of the housing. Note the small dime-sized cap on the red cloth. This is within the assembly and you will need to get it out if it doesn't come out with the lifter body. Its just sitting in place so it will only need a good jostle to get it out.




Open the lifter body by pulling the telescoping pieces apart. Be careful not to lose the compression spring inside.



Here is what you should have on the bench to this point.



The checkvalve assembly is part of the smaller telescoping lifter body. I have disassembled this part to show the pieces and scale. They are very small parts. You can see how the checkvalve works - a small ball with a sealing seat and a spring to apply tension to the ball's position against the seat. This valve will let oil enter the lifter body, but it wont let it back out under normal conditions. When I have reconditioned my lifters, I left this part of the assembly together for fear of losing the small parts associated with it. The cleaning solution will remove any and all varnish from the parts and during the reassembly process there will be a step to ensure that the checkvalve is sealing. I would recommend not taking this apart and relying on the assembly check to determine if the valve is sealing, and if it doesn't seal up you can disassemble only the ones that would need further cleaning. These parts are just really small and easy to lose or damage.



I use Gunk Carburetor & Parts Cleaner for all of my smaller engine parts that need to be cleaned. It comes with a parts basket that is perforated on the bottom to allow the cleaning solution to drain out when you remove the basket. This solution works incredibly well for engine parts. For your own protection, be sure to read the hazardous materials warnings on the container - this is not something you want to get on you. You can pick this up from any auto parts store for about $8 a can.



Put your parts in the basket. Note I left the checkvalve assembly together for the dipping. I only show 1 lifter in the basket, but I was able to clean all of my lifters in 1 single dip. Just put the larger lifter housings in the bottom of the bucket first and all the smaller parts in the basket will fit on top and you can still close the lid. Let sit for about 2 hours for a thorough cleaning. You dont have to agitate this solution.



Rinse all of your parts off with cold water. It helps to have an air compressor to blow the remaining water out of the parts. Once all the water is out, give them a good spray-down with some WD40 to displace the water and keep them from oxidizing.



Using a red Scotchbrite pad, be sure to give a good once-over on the surfaces of the lifter housing that contact the camshaft and the lifter bucket, as well as inside the housing where the lifter body inserts. The lifter body's telescoping surfaces should also be deburred. This is preparing the parts for re-mating since you wont be getting every single lifter together with the exact components that were originally in it. This wont cause any problems but it is advised not to do this excessively. During this step, pay special attention to the crown of the lifter. This is the area that the camshaft contacts and it has a small hole in the top-center. If you see any abnormal pitting on this surface, particularly around the hole in the center of the crown, the lifter will have to be replaced. It is normal for there to be some light surface patterns that are worn in due to the camshaft lobe, but these markings should completely disappear when you hit it with the scotchbrite. If you find yourself rubbing and rubbing on a particular spot to remove a blemish, it is likely a low spot or the metal has galled. If this is the case, you gotta replace it or this will cause damage to the camshaft.



When you are finished, your parts should look like this:




You will first need to install the spring into the larger lifter body.



Fill the lower lifter body with oil. Leave about 2-3mm shy of completely filling the body.



Then install the smaller checkvalve assembly with the checkvalve going first into the lower body. When you squeeze this together, you are going to have some air in the assembly. Using the pick, gently press onto the checkvalve ball while squeezing the body together. The air in the body will flow out as well as some of the oil - be sure to bottom the checkvalve body into the lower body and while holding, remove the pick. Slowly allow the two bodies to extend while the internal spring pushes them apart and take note of any air bubbles that might get sucked back into the body - they will be floating in the oil you can see through teh bottom of the checkvalve assembly. Once it has extended to full length, try compressing it again. It shoudl not compress at all. If you have oil come spouting out of the valve, try compressing and releasing it a few times as the ball may have become uncentered over the seat. If it still does not seal up disassemble the entire component and clean/inspect. If all is well, you are ready for the final assembly.



Place the cap onto the checkvalve body. This is what the body will look like once it is assembled.



Now the installation of the lifter body is kindof tricky. You have to be careful with the cap as there is nothing holding it in place here except gravity. It is important when the lifter is reassembled that this cap is in place just as you see here in the picture. You will need to hold the pieces as shown in the picture and carefully slide the body into the housing.



Once you have the body in the housing, it will require a good squeeze to get past the retaining clip of the lower body. You must also ensure that you have the lifter body aligned into the housing's bore or you'll squeeze all day long without any success.



To restore the finish on the housing I used a piece of 1500 grit paper. This will provide a really smooth surface free of burrs.



Be sure to inspect the camshafts for signs of uneven wear, dings, or burrs. I typically use the red scotchbrite on the journals and lobes to clean up the surface and prepare it for assembly. The lifter buckets (in the cylinder head) are also prone to getting dinged up during the valve spring installation - be sure to inspect them for any defects prior to installing the lifters. The lifters should drop right into the buckets with no force required.
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Old 02-19-2010   #3
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Default Re: Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

Good info. My next project is to rebuild a head on my own and install that with some cams/gears onto my rebuild bottom end. This will definitely go a long way towards starting that project

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That is a fantastic write up. More inside of them than I expected. This is a much better alternative to buying new/newer used ones.
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Default Re: Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

Good find Skym, I was debating on rebuilding the hydro's or getting some Tomei solid lifters
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Old 02-23-2010   #6
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I must say I am glad I do not have hydraulic lifters now.
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Old 02-23-2010   #7
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Very well done post.

I to am glad I have solid lifters.
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Old 03-01-2010   #8
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Default Re: Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

What are the drawbacks of solid lifter? They look like they will worn out over time and will need shimming. Anyway know what are their service intervals? Also how are the noises compare to hydraulics?
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What are the drawbacks of solid lifter? They look like they will worn out over time and will need shimming. Anyway know what are their service intervals? Also how are the noises compare to hydraulics?
The solid lifter is OEM equipment in your RB26DETT and in the regular car world, is usually reserved for performance applications. Solid lifter motors at times, can sound a little 'tickier' than their hydraulic lifter counterparts, at idle anyways.

I think you are still under the assumption that your motor has hydraulics ? well, she doesn't. Solid from the factory in your GTR.....every RB26DETT.
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no i am not..lol, I posted that before I start my build suggestions. haha
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Default Re: Step by step how to on rebuilding hydraulic lifters

Just wondering, is this necessary when pulling them out to do headwork? The write-up seemed strict on oiling the lifter internals before replacement. After having sat on the bench for 1.. 2 months, all the oil has left the lifters entirely in my case. Is it worth going through these steps before install? Mating surfaces are mint, and the internals weren't touched.. Will the lifters fill by themselves on (moments after) start up?

Also, i noticed the fill hole that matches the oil-gallery on the lifter - does this need to line up in a specific way, or does it not matter where it's floating, since the lifter gallery does a full circle around the lifter?
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