Brakes - Being unique sucks......damn BNR32

[Allan74]

Sometimes I just don't get it.

I see FRONT Caliper/Rotor kits listed for S13/S14/R32 etc.......are they the same Kit ?

Will the same aftermarket Caliper and Rotor (say, Greddy) that fits an S13, actually bolt right up onto my R32 ? or are there special brackets required ?
What's the deal ?

I want to ditch my FRONT BRAKES in the worst way and mount something that is more 'readilly' available. NOT a 1-off Rotor like the BNR32.

Could someone please clarify this for me ?

Back brakes, I am fine with, as it's Z32 Rotors all the way.

[mcfly]

they use adapter brackets with generic kits

get some z33 front brembos, there is a how to on the net somewhere. when you find it post it here :p

[Allan74]

Are the 324mm×30mm Rotors used on:
- BNR32 V-Spec
- BCNR33
- BNR34
- Z33
............all the SAME Rotor ? (Spacing/Offset ?) Direct ROTOR Interchange between each model listed ?

[mcfly]

sti uses same calipers as the z33

[Bignate]

get a Z32 BBK, straight bolt on

[XXXsebXXX]

From the DBA catalog it seems that R34 Z33 & STi does not have the exact same rotor.
Look on their web site they gives all the specs for the rotors they produce.

[Allan74]

I think I am just going to buy a set of Z32 front calipers and call it a day....then buy the 324mmx30 V-Spec Rotor/Bracket kit from AMS to finish it off.

http://amszstore.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=23_59&products_id=223

That way every brake job is "Z32 rear rotors/Z33 'track' front rotors" .........with Z32 front and rear calipers.

Nice and easy for 100% USDM maintenance.

I am sure I can find atleast 1 person who owns a Z32 TT to trade me front brakes....
(OR, someone with a R32 GTS-T).

http://amszstore.com/main/images/DSCF7164.JPG
http://amszstore.com/main/images/DSCF7048.JPG
http://amszstore.com/main/images/DSCF7167.JPG

[mcfly]

that just looks so gay
you need this
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs209.snc1/7624_81013309989_515194989_660093_598940_n.jpg

[Allan74]

Another posibility.....

If I can get my hands on a Supra 296x32 rotor and compare the offset difference to that of a BNR32 front rotor, I may be able to shim my existing BNR32 front caliper so that I can use them instead.

....unless the offset puts the rotor further 'underneath' the car.......then it's not possible.

[Aaron]

The GTR does not share any front brake components with any USDM/CDM car. The rear however, is the same as the 300ZX. The front rotors can be ordered by your local Nissan dealership without any problem provided you have the part number. I had no issue getting them from TWO different dealers (so I imagine any dealer should be able to get them unless they are just being dicks). If you really have problems at the dealer, Ztune in Coquitlam, BC can get OEM parts and ships AFAIK. They also give a discount off OEM parts.

I have personal experience with running OEM disks with HP+ pads on the track (a track that has 4 180kph+ to 30kph braking zones in a 1:20 second lap), coupled with Motul RBF and stainless lines all around. No fading issues, and they stopped great. HP+ pads should be able to be ordered by any Hawk Pads retailer.

[mcfly]

http://www.biot.co.jp/parts_brake/offset_kit/offsetkit_front.html

doesn't look like it will work for you unfortunately

big rotors with small calipers looks funny though

[Aaron]

Using Gts-t brakes defeats the purpose of the GTR having larger brakes. The car is bigger, heavier etc therefore I would keep the GTR caliper and buy some OEM disks. They are cheap as well.. If you really want slotted brakes, project MU makes some but they aren't cheap.

[mcfly]

I have an option for you Allan.

The brake rotor i had a picture of was a 722s mclaren.

Two front rotors are a mere 38783.36
two sets of front pads are 5868.8

Two rear rotors are 35909.44

you get the idea. goooo carbon ceramics

[j-ran]

I have an option for you Allan.

The brake rotor i had a picture of was a 722s mclaren.

Two front rotors are a mere 38783.36
two sets of front pads are 5868.8

Two rear rotors are 35909.44

you get the idea. goooo carbon ceramics


good god, what are mercedes thinking... clarkson said those cars are missing the x factor lol.

[rb-racer]

Those prices are a little insane.

I have been considering putting D2 brakes on the front of my car. someone told me greddy uses the same rotor hats

[mcfly]

good god, what are mercedes thinking... clarkson said those cars are missing the x factor lol.

mercedes had no part in the body or brakes.
mclaren got the brakes from italy :p

[SuperHatch]

All RWD nissans of the late 80's early 90's vintage used the same front spindle to brake caliper mounting hole dimensions. R32, Z32, S13, S14, G50, Y32, etc... That being said, if the car is 5 lug than any rotor/caliper combination from any of those vehicles will be a direct swap. The R32 caliper/rotor is unique to the R32, but the knuckle mounting dimensions are not. Anything that bolts onto a Z32 will bolt onto an R32.

Keeping that in mind, read the post below in regards to the 370Z brake package for the 350Z...

Here's my take on it. It seems to be one of the best bang for the buck BBK's out there.
1. The 350Z Brembo caliper bolts directly to our spindle with only one mode required - drilling out the caliper mounts on the spindle to 14mm. The 350Z rotor bolts directly up and of course mates perfectly with the 350Z Brembo caliper.
2. Now, if the 370Z Akebono BBK is made for the the 350Z and is a direct bolt on utilizing Coz's caliper adapter, then it stands to follow that if we again, drill out our caliper mount on our spindles, then the Akebono (CZP) caliper adapter should bolt directly to our spindle and then of course the Akenono caliper to the adapter. This makes sense, right?
3. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that because the 350Z rotor is a simple direct bolt on, than the 370Z rotor (or a prefered 370Z after market rotor) should as be a direct bolt-on, right?
I'll pose this to the 350Z crowd. I know when I queried about this months ago, Coz was supposed to be working on a suitable Z32 caliper adapter which to me means that it would (or should) be identical to the 350Z adapter except that it's 13mm mounting holes instead of the 14mm for the 350Z.

The logic implied above, is that if the Z33 Brembos can be bolted onto a Z32 by drilling out the knuckly mounting holes to 14mm from 13mm, than any big brake kit for the Z33 will work on the Z32. Since this Z34 370Z kit is a direct bolt on for the Z33, than it will be a direct bolt on for the Z32 as long as the knuckle caliper mounting holes are drilled out. Going even a step further... since the R32 and Z32 knuckles are essentially the same (minus the AWD hub) than this kit will bolt onto the R32 by simply drilling out the mounting holes to 14mm.

370Z Track Upgrade Package (http://www.conceptzperformance.com/Cart/description.php?II=3309&Car_Type=350Z&UID=20091120115452138.162.8.57)

FWIW, I think this is one of the best bang for the buck upgrade kits you can get. The only downside is the sheer weight of the 14" rotors. I've heard that Stoptech is working on OEM replacement 2-piece rotors, which will certainly lighten things up.

~$2200 for a complete 4-wheel kit is a steal in my book, and the front kit alone (if that's all you're really interested in) is ~$1400

Hope this is useful to you.

[Skym]

Be unique.

Can use JZA80 (Supra) 324mm front brake rotors on BNR32 and V36 (Infinity G35? in US) 330mm rear rotors on BNR32.

Here's the list of brake rotors that fit on HCR32, BNR32, Z32, etc and mentions what I said above -

http://www.global-z.com/nissan/gcz32.htm

[XXXsebXXX]

Be unique.

Can use JZA80 (Supra) 324mm front brake rotors on BNR32 and V36 (Infinity G35? in US) 330mm rear rotors on BNR32.

Here's the list of brake rotors that fit on HCR32, BNR32, Z32, etc and mentions what I said above -

http://www.global-z.com/nissan/gcz32.htm

JZA80 front rotors are not direct bolt on a BNR32, the center hole of the disc must be bored over to make it fit.

[Allan74]

All RWD nissans of the late 80's early 90's vintage used the same front spindle to brake caliper mounting hole dimensions. R32, Z32, S13, S14, G50, Y32, etc... That being said, if the car is 5 lug than any rotor/caliper combination from any of those vehicles will be a direct swap. The R32 caliper/rotor is unique to the R32, but the knuckle mounting dimensions are not. Anything that bolts onto a Z32 will bolt onto an R32.

Keeping that in mind, read the post below in regards to the 370Z brake package for the 350Z...



The logic implied above, is that if the Z33 Brembos can be bolted onto a Z32 by drilling out the knuckly mounting holes to 14mm from 13mm, than any big brake kit for the Z33 will work on the Z32. Since this Z34 370Z kit is a direct bolt on for the Z33, than it will be a direct bolt on for the Z32 as long as the knuckle caliper mounting holes are drilled out. Going even a step further... since the R32 and Z32 knuckles are essentially the same (minus the AWD hub) than this kit will bolt onto the R32 by simply drilling out the mounting holes to 14mm.

370Z Track Upgrade Package (http://www.conceptzperformance.com/Cart/description.php?II=3309&Car_Type=350Z&UID=20091120115452138.162.8.57)

FWIW, I think this is one of the best bang for the buck upgrade kits you can get. The only downside is the sheer weight of the 14" rotors. I've heard that Stoptech is working on OEM replacement 2-piece rotors, which will certainly lighten things up.

~$2200 for a complete 4-wheel kit is a steal in my book, and the front kit alone (if that's all you're really interested in) is ~$1400

Hope this is useful to you.

That's exactly what I was waiting to read.
Thank you very much for that.
Allan

[Allan74]

I think I have found my new front brakes......

Wilwood 324mm x 30mm 4 pot Front Kit: $930 USD Shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Brake-Kit-300ZX-Nissan-13-4-piston-BEST-on-eBay_W0QQitemZ150383840019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2303934b13

Atleast this way I will have somewhat 'standard North American available' Rotors at maintenance time (Z33 Brembo size fronts).

I just emailed the seller to see if I could get the kit with 6 pots instead of 4, so I am crossing my fingers. The Wilwood website tells me that the price difference should only be about $400 USD ($200/caliper).

[mcfly]

I would just like carbon rotors for my bnr

[Allan74]

I'm not gonna lie. Most of this is for looks, as rocking 18's w/rotors that were fitted to OEM 16's looks like shite.......

I just can't go TOO BIG, as my Drag wheels will be 17's.......330mm is about the limit.

[SuperHatch]

That's exactly what I was waiting to read.
Thank you very much for that.
Allan

You're quite welcome.

I think I have found my new front brakes......

Wilwood 324mm x 30mm 4 pot Front Kit: $930 USD Shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Brake-Kit-300ZX-Nissan-13-4-piston-BEST-on-eBay_W0QQitemZ150383840019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2303934b13

Atleast this way I will have somewhat 'standard North American available' Rotors at maintenance time (Z33 Brembo size fronts).

I just emailed the seller to see if I could get the kit with 6 pots instead of 4, so I am crossing my fingers. The Wilwood website tells me that the price difference should only be about $400 USD ($200/caliper).

That looks like a pretty good deal to me.

I'm not gonna lie. Most of this is for looks, as rocking 18's w/rotors that were fitted to OEM 16's looks like shite.......

I just can't go TOO BIG, as my Drag wheels will be 17's.......330mm is about the limit.

I guess that rules out the Z34 brakes, 18's are the smallest you can go.

[Skym]

JZA80 front rotors are not direct bolt on a BNR32, the center hole of the disc must be bored over to make it fit.

That makes sense.

It does explain this one R32GTR I saw on the web with V36 rear rotors and Apexi 2 piece front rotors.

Allan74, SuperHatch, from memory, I think Ztune has done a 370Z or similar brake conversion on a R32 GTS-T. Photo of car was on their website until they updated it.

[Allan74]

I think I have found my new front brakes......

Wilwood 324mm x 30mm 4 pot Front Kit: $930 USD Shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Big-Brake-Kit-300ZX-Nissan-13-4-piston-BEST-on-eBay_W0QQitemZ150383840019QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotor s_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2303934b13

Atleast this way I will have somewhat 'standard North American available' Rotors at maintenance time (Z33 Brembo size fronts).

I just emailed the seller to see if I could get the kit with 6 pots instead of 4, so I am crossing my fingers. The Wilwood website tells me that the price difference should only be about $400 USD ($200/caliper).

Well, the seller just got back to me.

Add $200/Caliper ($400 total) to the above price for 6 Pot Kit.

......very sweet indeed.

He also told me that he can offer me (if I can stay 18's):
- 14" 6 Pot Wilwood Forged Superlite Front Kit
- 14" 4 Pot Wilwood Forged Superlite Rear Kit
......approx $3200 USD

Decisions......decisions.

Let's face it...355mm are fucking PIMP under 18" wheels front and rear ;)

[SuperHatch]

Well, the seller just got back to me.

Add $200/Caliper ($400 total) to the above price for 6 Pot Kit.

......very sweet indeed.

He also told me that he can offer me (if I can stay 18's):
- 14" 6 Pot Wilwood Forged Superlite Front Kit
- 14" 4 Pot Wilwood Forged Superlite Rear Kit
......approx $3200 USD

Decisions......decisions.

Let's face it...355mm are fucking PIMP under 18" wheels front and rear ;)


Thats a smokin deal and definitely pimp status.

[Allan74]

I've been giving this ALOT of thought ever since the CZ Akebono Kit link was posted and have finally come BACK to terms with what it is that I was trying to accomplish in the beginning.

1) Mount readilly available USDM Rotors for future maintenance, as I drive my car daily in the summer.

2) Get Upgraded Brakes to help with the added power I am going to introduce to the car.

3) Looks - Fill up the wheels with some brakes.

4) Be cheap, or, as cheap as I can be within reason.

The Akebono 370Z Kit is the ONLY solution that I have fuond that is able to satisfy #1, 2, 3 and even #4......and I am not too heartbroken over having to go with a 4pot/2pot setup, as it can further be improved down the road with Rotors and Pads.

There is somethng that can be said about the peace-of-mind that goes along with being able to go to any parts store in my city or brake shop and order parts/job for a 2009 370Z and not have to mess around with 1-off JDM parts such as our current front Rotors any longer.

I have seen the light.

Thanks again to SuperHatch for the heads-up !

Allan.

[SuperHatch]

You're welcome, can't wait to see install pics!!!

[Allan74]

You're welcome, can't wait to see install pics!!!

Looks like Pics might be a little ways off.

I just got off the phone with Coz@CZ and he informed me that Nissan will be releasing the Calipers in Red in the New Year, so possibly wait. As well, they can sell the Infiniti branded kit about $200 USD cheaper and powdercoat them to a colour of my choosing (and getting rid of the Infinity logo in the process) if that interests me.

He basically said to wait a bit because 'things are happening that might interest me'.......

Very decent guy and with that call alone, he has earned my business for sure.

Allan.

[SuperHatch]

Looks like Pics might be a little ways off.

I just got off the phone with Coz@CZ and he informed me that Nissan will be releasing the Calipers in Red in the New Year, so possibly wait. As well, they can sell the Infiniti branded kit about $200 USD cheaper and powdercoat them to a colour of my choosing (and getting rid of the Infinity logo in the process) if that interests me.

He basically said to wait a bit because 'things are happening that might interest me'.......

Very decent guy and with that call alone, he has earned my business for sure.

Allan.

From everything I've heard, Coz is a stand up guy. Good idea waiting for the Red calipers, considering the color of your car.

FWIW, I've read on other forums that Coz was working on a Z32 specific bracket, which would mean you wouldn't need to drill out your spindles. That might be one of the "things that are happening that might interest you"

[Allan74]

Yup, he said the Z32 13mm Front bracket is already done and is $395.......no drilling required ;)

[SuperHatch]

Yup, he said the Z32 13mm Front bracket is already done and is $395.......no drilling required ;)

That is great news... is it a no cost option when buying the kit?

[Allan74]

The current kit price for the 300ZX is correct ($2245 USD) as I was told.
Check out the website for more info.

[SuperHatch]

The current kit price for the 300ZX is correct ($2245 USD) as I was told.
Check out the website for more info.

Will do :cool:

[Gdzilla]

Allan ...sorry I am new to this forum I was reading this thread from post #1 and kept saying.."CZ Akebono Kit" I am glad you are heading that direction too. I was just in Phoenix last week and hung out with CoZ for about 3 hours....great guy and this kit looks phenomenal.

The great part it's cheap and keeps getting better everything you have said is spot on so far.

The Infinity (G37) rear calipers are cheaper than the ones for the 370Z for some reason (yes $200 USD cheaper) and they are the same caliper? They are but strangely enough way cheaper.

CoZ is trying to get a lighter front rotor vs the 30 pounder they currently have upfront. Stop tech was working on one and the first one that came out into development (I believe from someone other than Stop-Tech) has an issue with the two piece hat hits the caliper....so back to the drawing board.

Everything you said about waiting for him to send out the color matched powdercoated ones after January is what I am waiting for myself.

The Z32 billet bracket fits perfectly on the Z32s so it it will work great on a R32.

[Allan74]

I think this might end being quite popular for alot of R32 owners once everyone weighs the Pros and Cons (if there are any real Cons other than it not being a JDM 8pot front/6pot rear....for $10,000 USD.....LOL)

[SuperHatch]

The only other con is the weight of those rotors... they are truely heavy, but once Stoptech or another reputable company releases two piece OEM sized rotors, it's on like donkey kong.

[Gdzilla]

The only other con is the weight of those rotors... they are truely heavy, but once Stoptech or another reputable company releases two piece OEM sized rotors, it's on like donkey kong.

+1 Agreed. That's exactly what I told him too.

[Allan74]

There.....

Back on topic.